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Posted: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:32 am

Recently some fellow complained about Democrats being all in favor of more gun control to which another fellow poo-pooed that notion. My memory seems to fail me every once in a while but I cannot ever remember one of those conservative right-wing radical Republicans or for that matter any other kind of Republican ever introducing sweeping gun-control legislation. Please correct me if I am wrong, but, meanwhile, if the shoe fits then wear it!

We live in a country with over 300 million citizens and seem to be willing to circumvent the constitutional rights of those 300 million citizens because of the actions of approximately 35 mentally disturbed individuals. Maybe it is time to deal with those in our society with mental issues before we write more useless laws which will only be followed by the law abiding and not the lawless or mentally disturbed.

I am the parent of one of those with severe mental issues and our system has no method by which his mother and I could turn to to get him the help he needed; but was unwilling to seek. The problem is that without a method to deal with these individuals we have to wait until they commit some horrendous crime and then it is too late. This is a nationwide problem and not just a California problem. You cannot blame Reagan for this as there are 49 other states with the same problem.

Brian Smith

West Point

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6 comments:

  • Peter Lincoln posted at 11:16 pm on Mon, Apr 15, 2013.

    Peter Lincoln Posts: 348

    We cannot stop any of this, look at almost all cases, as I understand it they mostly get their weapons from family and or friends, how does a bad law change that? it is not generally a long time gun owner who suddenly runs off the reservation,.

     
  • Charles Dudley Jr posted at 3:21 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Charles Dudley Jr Posts: 1281

    The Toomey-Manchin Proposal Will Allow Doctors to Block Your Right to Guns

    I just talked to someone familiar with the Toomey-Manchin proposal who raises a serious concern based on his understanding of the legislation.

    Everyone on all sides agrees that we need better help for those with mental health problems who need treatment.

    Unfortunately, the person I talked with is concerned that the Toomey-Manchin proposal could discourage people from getting help.

    The proposal will allow a doctor to add a patient to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) without ever telling the patient he or she has been added.

    There would be no due process requirement. Not all doctors will be able to do it with the same ease, but many will. Knowing a doctor could add him to a federal database as mentally ill without his knowledge could potentially dissuade a patient from going to the doctor in the first place to get help.

    Worse, if the doctor does so and makes a mistake, the patient would have to actively work through the system to get himself removed — guilty before being proven innocent. In some states, should a doctor flag you as having mental illness without your knowledge, you may very well see the state come collect your previously purchased guns.

    Activist mental health providers will probably be overly aggressive in adding people to the list. Give it five years in liberal areas and people who believe in the physical resurrection of Christ will probably get automatic entry onto the list.

    Mental health is a serious issue and the Toomey-Manchin legislation could have negative consequences. Worse, it would still not stop a Columbine, a Newtown, or the daily massacres in Chicago.

     
  • Mike Bullard posted at 2:53 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Mike Bullard Posts: 568

    You're so right, Mr. Brian, when I went off my rocker as a prison guard, even though I never harmed anyone - and openly pleaded for help regularly, NOBODY had any more for me than judgement and a "i told ya so" by the stiffs when I went boom. I'll never forget how alone I was (and therefore am). It's disheartening how few care and how many pounce like a pack of dingos.
    There just ain'no fix for mass indifference and it's so easy it's the standard.


     
  • Peter Lincoln posted at 12:53 pm on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    Peter Lincoln Posts: 348

    My family becomes threatened, I know exactly what my weapon is for, aim for center mass and fire..

    I don't care about anything further than that, period. AND I will sleep like a baby..!

     
  • oldleathers posted at 11:08 am on Fri, Apr 12, 2013.

    oldleathers Posts: 19

    Audio said "those that have guns are mostly mentally ill. ................Now that's funny!

     
  • Audio posted at 11:10 pm on Tue, Apr 9, 2013.

    Audio Posts: 7

    Well I agree that help must be directed towards the mentally ill, but also keep in mind most mentally ill people are not violent while those that have guns are mostly mentally ill.

    Why Do I say this? Quite simply it's not a sane decision to have a gun in the first place. Having a gun comes with knowing that it may be used to kill someone whether in Defense or not is totally irrelevant. It's not responsibility or anything of the such with a killing weapon as some might think. What makes having a gun an insane decision in the first place is knowing that you are owning it for the explicit reason to kill a human being. Again whether in self defense or not is 100% irrelevant.

    Killing is never a solution.

    Also lets consider this... There are many many other choices of the non lethal variety to defend oneself. Why are not tazers, or darts for defense enough? They are cheaper means and safer and certainly can hold there own against an armed individual.

    Current legislation is curbing the access to clearly human killing weaponry that are not necessary for individual self defense. If in the case it you're perception that a government being oppressive then you may consider arguing for the rights to own Cruz missiles, Biological weapons, chemical weapons and the many other choice devices for mass murder to defend yourself. Because in the event the government needs to be over thrown those are the things that will be needed. Which again... Is insane thinking.

    You want to hunt, use a real sporting rifle, not a AR 15 with extended mags.